Meghan Markle talks to Sex and the City author Candace Bushnell for Archetypes podcast

Meghan Markle talks to Sex and the City author Candace Bushnell and trans actress Michaela Jae Rodriguez about ‘living outside the labels we’re given by society’ in latest Archetypes episode

Meghan Markle has paid a visit to her old school for her latest Archetypes podcast on Spotify, in which she set out to investigate whether the pupils were being ‘labelled’ or ‘given the space to be human’. 

The Duchess of Sussex was joined by Sex and the City author Candace Bushnell and actor and trans actress Michaela Jaé Rodriquez for a conversation ‘about expressing one’s identity and embracing the nuances that make each of us, quite simply, human’ 

The episode also features Dr. Shefali Tsabary, poet Amanda Gorman and several pupils from Meghan’s high school alma mater.    

Duchess of Sussex's newest Archetypes episode was released today. It's entitled, 'Beyond the Archetype: Human, Being'

Duchess of Sussex’s newest Archetypes episode was released today. It’s entitled, ‘Beyond the Archetype: Human, Being’ 

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan Markle, during the Jaguar Land Rover Driving Challenge of the Invictus Games

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Prince Harry and his wife, Meghan Markle, during the Jaguar Land Rover Driving Challenge of the Invictus Games

Opening the podcast, Meghan says: ‘There’s a piece of art in my sitting room – it’s not fancy. It’s kind of this rectangle shape, almost plaque like. And it just says simply ”human kind” – be both. 

‘My friend, Jen gave it to me a couple of days ago and it always makes me smile.

‘Because I love her and our friendship – it reminds me of her, we’ve been super close since we were about 17 – but also, because it’s true. Human kind – be both. 

‘It got me thinking about other types of wordplay that resonate and I specifically was thinking about something that I was told many years ago.

‘You’re not just a human being, you’re a human just being.

‘Now the woman who told me this was trying to remind me to just be easier on myself, sort of in the same vein of saying don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. 

‘Well this is just another version of that same ilk of advice, you’re human, just being 

‘And as I think about what we’ve covered throughout this podcast so far, and the many ways, my guests and I have reflected on the girls that we once were and the woman we’ve become I wanted to revisit a large piece of my origin story – my old school. 

‘I wanted to explore these labels and boxes are part of the self-identification for the young women there. Or if they’ve given themselves the space to be a human.’

Meghan attended Immaculate Heart school in LA, which is known for its emphasis on health, wellbeing and fitness. 

Describing walking back into the school, she described how the memories came ‘flooding back’. 

‘It’s so great because as an adult you come back into this environment, it feels so small, but when you’re in high school at this campus was so big. 

‘Middle school and high school is a really big time for anyone in their life. You’re so impressionable and you also think you know everything when you’re a teenager.

‘But for young women especially this is the time period in which you sort of start to look around.

Around the culture and society, the messages you’re receiving, and you ask yourself constantly, how am I supposed to be?

‘At least that was very much. My experience of adolescence and maybe maybe things have changed.’

Meghan is heard chatting with three young women who had just graduated, Abigail, Diana and Grace. 

Asking which labels they felt were applied to them, one of them replied, ‘the b-word’, while another said, ‘bossy’.      

Meghan then mentions the word ‘bimbo’, saying: ‘So, when you guys hear the word bimbo, who do you think of or what do you think of?’ 

After one of them replies that they’ve only ever heard the word on TikTok, Meghan says: ‘I mean talk about aging myself, but this idea of the bimbo, the dumb blond, this was something that I grew up seeing all the time, and here we go, they hadn’t.’

The royal then tells the group how she once received a religious studies assignment at school to plan her own wedding. 

‘That’s insane,’ one of them replies.  

Meghan then has a conversation with Dr Shefali Tsabary, an expert in family dynamics and personal development.  

Announcing the theme of the episode, the duchess announces she plans to look at how women can rediscover ‘what has happened [to them] over the years’ and ‘reconnect with some of the core tenets of [their] being’.  

Yesterday it emerged Archetypes appeared to have dropped in popularity with US listeners, with the last episode at just 77 in the US charts as of 1pm yesterday – behind a collection of lullabies.  

Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex attend the 2021 Salute To Freedom Gala at Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum on November 10 last year

Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex attend the 2021 Salute To Freedom Gala at Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum on November 10 last year

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