Rioter will give that if they had found Mike Pence they would have killed him


January 6 committee member Rep. Pete Aguilar says rioter will give evidence TODAY that if they had found Mike Pence then they would ‘probably have killed him’

  • Testimony at Thursday’s hearing will include a rioter saying they would have killed Mike Pence had they found him on the day of insurrection 
  • Democratic Rep. Pete Aguilar, who sits on the House committee investigating Jan. 6, said rioter cooperating with Justice Department 
  • ‘We’ll hear from a witness who says that, if they would have found [Pence], they probably would have killed him,’ Aguilar told Los Angeles Times 

Thursday’s hearing on the January 6th insurrection will include testimony from a rioter, who will say if they had found Mike Pence that day they ‘probably would have killed him.’

Democratic Rep. Pete Aguilar, who sits on the House committee investigating the origins of the insurrection, said the rioter is cooperating with the Justice Department and the panel plans to play a clip of his testimony.

‘We’ll hear from a witness who says that, if they would have found [Pence], they probably would have killed him,’ Aguilar told the Los Angeles Times in an interview.

Chants of ‘Hang Mike Pence’ were heard from the mob of MAGA supporters who stormed the Capitol in an attempt to stop the certification of the 2020 presidential election. 

Pence was pulled from the Senate floor by his Secret Service agents as rioters entered the building.  

Thursday’s hearing from the January 6th committee will focus on Donald Trump’s efforts to pressure Pence to refuse to count and certify the electoral count. It is the ceremonial role of the vice president to oversee the formal certification of the presidential election. 

Aguilar, a Democrat from California, will take lead during Thursday’s hearing. 

Rep. Pete Aguilar, a Democrat from California, will take lead during Thursday's hearing on the January 6th insurrection

Rep. Pete Aguilar, a Democrat from California, will take lead during Thursday’s hearing on the January 6th insurrection

Testimony at Thursday's hearing will include a rioter saying they would have killed Mike Pence had they found him on the day of insurrection

Testimony at Thursday’s hearing will include a rioter saying they would have killed Mike Pence had they found him on the day of insurrection

A central figure of committee’s argument is lawyer John Eastman, who pushed the theory Pence, in his role as vice president, could block the certification of Joe Biden‘s victory. 

Eastman, who once served as clerk for Clarence Thomas at the Supreme Court, outlined scenarios for denying Biden the presidency in legal memos and in an Oval Office meeting on Jan. 4 with Trump and Pence, according to previous reports. 

Committee aides told CNN that Thursday’s hearing will focus on how Trump had driven the pressure campaign against Pence despite being told by lawyers in the White House counsel’s office that Pence did not have the authority to unilaterally subvert the election results. 

Greg Jacob, who served as counsel to Pence, and retired U.S. Appeals Court Judge J. Michael Luttig, who was an informal adviser, are scheduled to testify in person at the third of an expected six public hearings the committee has planned. 

Jacob was with Pence inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, arguing with Eastman by email during the riot.

‘The ‘siege’ is because YOU and your boss did not do what was necessary to allow this to be aired in a public way so that the American people can see for themselves what happened,’ Eastman said in an email to Jacob, according to the Los Angeles Times.

After the riot ended, Eastman again emailed Jacob to say Pence should still send the election back to the states rather than certifying it, based on what he called a ‘relatively minor violation’ of the procedural law.

Instead Pence returned to the House floor to certify Biden’s victory.

The committee earlier this week teased Thursday’s hearing, showing video testimony from former White House attorney Eric Herschmann saying that he had told Eastman on January 7 that he should ‘get a great effing criminal defense attorney.’

The third January 6 hearing on Thursday will focus on Donald Trump's pressure campaign to get Vice President Mike Pence to stop Congress from certifying the 2020 presidential election results. Pictured: Pence sits with daughter, Charlotte (left), and brother, Greg, as his wife, Karen (right), draws the curtains in the ceremonial room off the Senate floor where he was evacuated to on January 6, 2021, as Trump supporters attacked U.S. Capitol

The third January 6 hearing on Thursday will focus on Donald Trump’s pressure campaign to get Vice President Mike Pence to stop Congress from certifying the 2020 presidential election results. Pictured: Pence sits with daughter, Charlotte (left), and brother, Greg, as his wife, Karen (right), draws the curtains in the ceremonial room off the Senate floor where he was evacuated to on January 6, 2021, as Trump supporters attacked U.S. Capitol

Thursday's hearing from the January 6th committee will focus on Donald Trump's efforts to pressure Mike Pence to refuse to count and certify the electoral count

Thursday’s hearing from the January 6th committee will focus on Donald Trump’s efforts to pressure Mike Pence to refuse to count and certify the electoral count

In the days leading up to the January 6th certification, Trump delivered a string of tweets demanding that Pence use his position to prevent Congress certifying his election defeat to Joe Biden.

Pence had already told the president he had no such power.

Pence’s office had brought in retired federal Judge J. Michael Luttig, a staunch conservative long admired by many Republicans, to help advise on the vice president’s role during the election certification process.

Luttig plans to testify on Thursday that Trump and his allies ‘instigated’ a war on democracy ‘so that he could cling to power,’ according to a written statement of his obtained by CNN

‘Had the Vice President of the United States obeyed the President of the United States, America would immediately have been plunged into what would have been tantamount to a revolution within a paralyzing constitutional crisis,’ Luttig will say. 

He will describe January 6th as ‘the final fateful day for the execution of a well-developed plan by the former president to overturn the 2020 presidential election at any cost.’ 

Eastman, however, argued differently. He wrote a memo arguing Pence could overthrow the election results when he oversaw the certification of the electoral college count on January 6th.

And Ginni Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, emailed with Eastman about the matter, reported The Washington Post on Wednesday.

Eastman had told Jacob, Pence’s legal counsel, that Clarence Thomas would back their argument if the matter went to the Supreme Court.

Jacob, according to a report earlier this year from Politico, told the panel in previous testimony that when Eastman pushed for Pence to throw the election back to the states, he said to him: ‘If this case got to the Supreme Court, we’d lose 9-0, wouldn’t we, if we actually took your position and it got up there?’

Eastman told him he thought the court would vote 7-2.

Jacob noted he replied: ‘And I said, ‘Who are the two?’ And he said, ‘Well, I think maybe Clarence Thomas.’ And I said, ‘Really? Clarence Thomas?’ And so we went through a few Thomas opinions and, finally, he acknowledged, ‘yeah, all right, it would be 9-0.’

Eastman’s memo outlined a scenario in which Pence would disregard seven states’ Electoral College votes – thus ensuring no candidate received the 270 Electoral College votes required to be declared the winner. 

The election would then be decided by the House. 

Each state delegation would then have had one vote to cast for president, and since Republicans controlled 26 state delegations, a majority could have voted for Trump to win the election. 

Attorney John Eastman, who once served as clerk for Clarence Thomas at the Supreme Court, outlined scenarios for denying Joe Biden the presidency

Attorney John Eastman, who once served as clerk for Clarence Thomas at the Supreme Court, outlined scenarios for denying Joe Biden the presidency

Thursday's hearing on January 6th insurrection will focus on Donald Trump's pressure campaign on Mike Pence to overturn the election results

Thursday’s hearing on January 6th insurrection will focus on Donald Trump’s pressure campaign on Mike Pence to overturn the election results

Constitutional scholars and Pence, himself, disagreed with Eastman’s interpretation of the vice president’s role in the largely ceremonial process.

Pence’s former chief of staff Marc Short told CNN on Wednesday that Pence did his duty by certifying the election results.

‘He knew it from the beginning, and I think he was clear with the president and so was our office clear about what we viewed his role as. I think that, you know, for any limited government conservative I don’t think he’d want the notion that our founders would have thought any one person would have been bestowed with that much authority to overturn election results. So I think the they he approached this was what does the constitution say,’ Short told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

‘He did his duty. He swore an oath to uphold the constitution. He swore an oath to god to uphold the constitution just as our men and women in uniform do,’ he said.

The days leading up to January 6th led to tension between Trump and Pence as the then-vice president made it clear he would not do as Trump asked.

But Trump denied he wanted his vice president harmed that day. 

During last Thursday evening’s hearing, Republican Rep. Liz Cheney, who serves on the panel investigating the insurrection, said of Trump: ‘Aware of the rioters’ chants to ‘hang Mike Pence,’ the president responded with this sentiment: ‘Maybe our supporters have the right idea.’ Mike Pence ‘deserves’ it.’ 

There were gasps in the hearing room at her words. 

‘I NEVER said, or even thought of saying, ‘Hang Mike Pence.’ This is either a made up story by somebody looking to become a star, or FAKE NEWS!,’ Trump wrote in response the next day on Truth Social.

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